Just watched one of the gun specials on PBS. it was very balanced, whether you’re for or against more regulation of guns, you could watch it - just the facts, ma’am.
But then they show one of these “crypto anarchist” assholes (derp for “libertarian”) making AR15s on CAD, printing them out on 3D printer, and planning on sending these files to anyone who wants them for free. One day in the not-so-distant future we’re all gonna have 3D printers in our homes, and our kids are going to print off fully-auto machine guns and hi-capacity mags and buy ammo through the internet. We’ll be wishing they smoke pot or shoplift at that point.
It was fun seeing the president of the NRA talking with a hand gun with a scope mounted on it in the background. 12 year old boys think he’s so awesome.
And someone points out the fact that the explosion of gun homicides in America can be traced back to the invention of the Colt revolver. This is why people are after hi-capacity mags - mass shootings wouldn’t really happen if people had flintlocks and had to reload after every shot.
Maybe the 3D printer will destroy the gun lobby like the mp3 destroyed the recording industry, but instead of everyone carrying around an iPod, they’ll be carrying around the most deadly weapons ever known to civilian mankind. Yay?
Instead of hating the working poor, pretending they’re just lazy, and punishing them by denying the Medicaid Expansion, why don’t you focus on understand just why people can work 40 hours per week and still be poor enough to qualify for Medicaid? Isn’t that the real tragedy here? Isn’t this Iowa culture of grinding poverty the truly expensive program, which your administration is codifying into law? Your legacy will be that of The Rich Man’s Politician if you don’t stop this nonsense of trying to give away our BILLION dollar surplus to the wealthiest property owners, while looking for any and every excuse to grind the working poor into dust. Which one of those groups needs financial help? Hint: it’s the Iowans who work full time and can’t afford health insurance. You should feel shame over your hateful policies. Shape up, and remember that your constituency isn’t just the idle rich.
Automobiles are equipment that is designed and manufactured to transport people and objects. Sometimes they kill people or destroy property. They are not designed to do so, but they still do sometimes. Because of all the times that auto owners were not insured and also not able to recompense injured parties, the public (including uncompensated victims of auto accidents and auto crimes) demanded that a solution to this problem be created. The policymakers responded by ruling that all auto owners be required to purchase liability insurance to recompense any injured parties.
Guns are equipment that is designed and manufactured to destroy property or end life. And guns often accomplish these design objectives. So it seems to make sense that owners of this equipment should be required to purchase liability insurance.
I’m starting to come to the same conclusion, Pat. It’s not just assault rifles; semi-auto pistols with hi-cap mags are used to spray street corners with so many bullets, with bystanders caught in the indiscriminate crossfire. Even a revolver, with less than 10 rounds, is a problem due to its intrinsic conceal-ability. In the words of a Texas governor, who commented on a gun laws passed by his state in the late 1800s: the “mission of the concealed deadly weapon is murder. To check it is the duty of every self-respecting, law-abiding man.”
Now the NRA and ALEC has loosened state gun laws to the point of complete insanity, where almost anyone can carry a 33-round WMD in their pocket or on their hip; and with “Stand Your Ground” laws, if they shoot and kill someone, they may not even be charged with any crime (like George Zimmerman when he killed Trayvon Martin, he wasn’t charged until national outrage ensued). All this carnage, murder, and mayhem is brought to you by the gun manufacturers’ lobby, in order to sell more guns to civilians, in concert with a minority of paranoid citizens who don’t seem to consider anyone’s welfare but their own as they indulge their gun fetishism.
As David Wheeler, whose first-grade son was killed in his elementary school at Newtown said: “The liberty of any person to own a military-style assault weapon and a high-capacity magazine and keep them in their home is second to the right of my son to his life.” I agree, and I think it’s time to both realize that no individual rights granted by our constitution are absolute, and that the constitution binds policymakers to provide for our general welfare.
Texas Gov. quote:
David Wheeler quote:
Greenspan couldn’t be a libertarian because he was a banker, and libertarians hate banks! Oh wait, libertarians want credit for all… But he wasn’t a libertarian because he hated regulations… oh, wait. Well, he wasn’t a libertarian because he was BFFs with Ayn Rand… oh, yeah - libertarian hero novelist, for some reason… well, he wasn’t a libertarian because he was a banker, and that’s ‘usury’! Oh, wait, libertarians don’t want any laws… except against usury. Okay, well, he wasn’t a libertarian because he stood idly by as the world’s largest economy sliced, diced, and repackaged its home mortgage products (usury!!!) into derivative financial products (usury!!!), and libertarians hate mortgages because ‘landlords’! Libertarians would make laws (ack!) against land lordship because a landlord is a government! But property rights are king! And anyone should own land! And in a free society if you want to own 2 houses, go for it, because we’re all about having the liberty to do whatever you want! Except be a landlord or borrow money at interest (usury!), but we want anyone to be able to be a bank and provide credit because of free marketeering! So if you own 2 homes because you’re so unregulated and free and you want to sublet one of those homes because you’re providing a service in the marketplace and you enter into a contract with a lessee, that’s totally cool because libertarians love contracts! And if you want to then add that contract into a package of other contracts and sell it as a Mortgage Backed Security then you’re breaking all the libertarian rules! Even though they don’t have rules because they’re so free and liberty and bald eagles! …holy crap you guys don’t know what you want. Call me when you’re coherent.
Oh, and guess what happens when the NRA’s “National School Shield” of “volunteer” armed guards at all schools nationwide is enacted?
Guess what happens. When the NRA designs a national program for armed volunteers to be inside all our kids’ schools across the nation…
Wait for it…
More guns get sold.
Yep. A metric fuckton of guns gets sold to this new volunteer private army that the gun manufacturers designed and deployed on our nation’s teaching institution.
But… guess who picks up the tab?
Guess who pays to arm all these “volunteers” who will walk around our children with guns.
Wait for it…
It’s us. We, the citizens of the United States. We get charged to arm a private army to walk around our children’s schools with loaded guns.
The gun industry has told us that this is our only option. The gun industry has told us that we do not have the option of limiting the amount of military-style guns in this nation. The gun industry has told us that our only option is to buy more guns.
The industry that sells guns… has told us that our only option is to buy guns.
When a man walks into your child’s elementary school and murders 20 six-year-olds in a matter of minutes with a butcher knife, then let the controversy be about “butcher knife control”. But that’s not ever what happens. It’s always a military-style gun or a handgun with hi-capacity magazines that kills a bunch of people at the movie theater or fundraiser or elementary school.
This is really much more simple than the NRA makes it.
You realize I’m a gun owner, right? I’ve shot animals and targets and clay pigeons and all that great American Freedumb Liberty Bald Eagle These Colors Don’t Run YouBetcha TruckNutz.
And guess what? I never once thought, as I was shooting at a clay pigeon with a shotgun, that I needed a 33 round clip. Or as I was shooting a 9mm hand gun at an oil can, that it’s good that people can order military guns and 100 round drum-clips and 10,000 rounds of ammo - all over the internet.
What the fuck is wrong with some gun control? Oh, yeah, you guys think you have some “right” to RPGs and plutonium dirty bombs because the NRA and justice Scalia suddenly said (after 200 years) it’s what the Founding Fathers totally meant by “Bear Arms”.
The Framers didn’t write a rule about hunting guns, because hunting guns were flintlocks, and flintlocks weren’t being used to walk into elementary schools to murder 20 six-year-olds in a matter of minutes. They didn’t have that problem, so they didn’t think to write a law about it. The problem that was fresh in their mind was that they were paying taxes to a gov’t and not getting much in return, so they fought that government so they could set up their own government. To do that fighting they had to raise an army. So they figured they better write something about that process in the Constitution.
Now the NRA, who represents gun manufacturers, not deer hunters, told us all the 2nd Amendment means something it doesn’t. Lots of people believe that horseshit. This includes the right-leaning SCOTUS, which voted 5-4 that we should all buy hi-cap, hi-powered military weapons and leave ‘em out for psychos to walk into movie theaters and mow down kids while they’re out being kids.
How about an actual, factual, well-researched recounting of a conspiracy? How the NRA duped a nation into believing “that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual’s right to carry a gun, rather than the people’s right to form armed militias to provide for the common defense.” This is when the NRA went political.
In the nineteen-seventies, the N.R.A. began advancing the argument that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual’s right to carry a gun, rather than the people’s right to form armed militias to provide for the common defense. Fights over rights are effective at getting out the vote. Describing gun-safety legislation as an attack on a constitutional right gave conservatives a power at the polls that, at the time, the movement lacked. Opposing gun control was also consistent with a larger anti-regulation, libertarian, and anti-government conservative agenda. In 1975, the N.R.A. created a lobbying arm, the Institute for Legislative Action, headed by Harlon Bronson Carter, an award-winning marksman and a former chief of the U.S. Border Control. But then the N.R.A.’s leadership decided to back out of politics and move the organization’s headquarters to Colorado Springs, where a new recreational-shooting facility was to be built. Eighty members of the N.R.A.’s staff, including Carter, were ousted. In 1977, the N.R.A.’s annual meeting, usually held in Washington, was moved to Cincinnati, in protest of the city’s recent gun-control laws. Conservatives within the organization, led by Carter, staged what has come to be called the Cincinnati Revolt. The bylaws were rewritten and the old guard was pushed out. Instead of moving to Colorado, the N.R.A. stayed in D.C., where a new motto was displayed: “The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed.”
Ronald Reagan was the first Presidential candidate whom the N.R.A. had endorsed. David Keene ran Reagan’s Southern campaign. Reagan’s election, in 1980, made it possible for conservatives to begin turning a new interpretation of the Second Amendment into law. As the legal scholar Reva B. Siegel has chronicled, Orrin Hatch became the chair of the Subcommittee on the Constitution, and commissioned a history of the Second Amendment, which resulted in a 1982 report, “The Right to Keep and Bear Arms.” The authors of the report claimed to have discovered “clear—and long-lost—proof that the Second Amendment to our Constitution was intended as an individual right of the American citizen to keep and carry arms in a peaceful manner, for protection of himself, his family, and his freedoms.”
In March of 1981, John Hinckley, Jr., shot Reagan, the White House press secretary, James Brady, a D.C. policeman, and a Secret Service agent. He used a .22 that he had bought at a pawnshop. A month later, the Times reported that Harlon Carter, then the N.R.A.’s executive vice-president, had been convicted of murder in Laredo, Texas, in 1931, at the age of seventeen. Carter had come home from school to find his mother distressed. She told him that three teen-age boys had been loitering nearby all afternoon, and that she suspected them of having been involved in stealing the family’s car. Carter left the house with a shotgun, found the boys, and told them that he wanted them to come back to his house to be questioned. According to the trial testimony of twelve-year-old Salvador Peña, Ramón Casiano, fifteen, the oldest of the boys, said to Carter, “We won’t go to your house, and you can’t make us.” Casiano took out a knife and said, “Do you want to fight me?” Carter shot Casiano in the chest. At Carter’s trial for murder, the judge, J. F. Mullally, instructed the jury, “There is no evidence that defendant had any lawful authority to require deceased to go to his house for questioning, and if defendant was trying to make deceased go there for that purpose at the time of the killing, he was acting without authority of law, and the law of self-defense does not apply.” Two years later, Carter’s murder conviction was overturned on appeal; the defense argued that the instructions to the jury had been improper.
When the Times broke the Casiano murder story, Carter at first denied it, saying the trial record concerned a different man with a similar name. He later said that he had “nothing to hide” and was “not going to rehash that case or any other that does not relate to the National Rifle Association.”
James Brady and his wife, Sarah, went on to become active in the gun-control movement, but neither the assassination attempt nor Carter’s past derailed the gun-rights movement. In 1986, the N.R.A.’s interpretation of the Second Amendment achieved new legal authority with the passage of the Firearms Owners Protection Act, which repealed parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act by invoking “the rights of citizens … to keep and bear arms under the Second Amendment.” This interpretation was supported by a growing body of scholarship, much of it funded by the N.R.A. According to the constitutional-law scholar Carl Bogus, at least sixteen of the twenty-seven law-review articles published between 1970 and 1989 that were favorable to the N.R.A.’s interpretation of the Second Amendment were “written by lawyers who had been directly employed by or represented the N.R.A. or other gun-rights organizations.” In an interview, former Chief Justice Warren Burger said that the new interpretation of the Second Amendment was “one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word ‘fraud,’ on the American public by special-interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”
The debate narrowed, and degraded. Political candidates who supported gun control faced opponents whose campaigns were funded by the N.R.A. In 1991, a poll found that Americans were more familiar with the Second Amendment than they were with the First: the right to speak and to believe, and to write and to publish, freely.
What an amazing conspiracy. Neocons are so good at fleecing America and scalping our cash into corporate coffers. Some recent examples include Dick Cheney’s closed door meetings with the oil companies in 2004 - why should we know the “patented” secret poisons that get pumped from the fracker’s truck into our aquifers? Then he sold us on WMD - care for a $50 6-pack of Coca-Cola, a $trillion on the national credit card for the defense contractors, and hundred-thousand dead Iraqis? But still, all that really almost pales in comparison to completely changing our minds on what the 2nd Amendment had meant for the first 200 years it was written, and then getting the Supreme Court to codify the new meaning into law. Wow. Just… wow. And all from the marketing arm of an industry that sells us the seeds to sew our own destruction, one elementary school at a time.
I must just be all emotional. Never mind that my positions on this issue haven’t changed from the Aurora mass murders, or the Gabby Giffords mass murders. I’m probably just having my Man Period. Give me a few days to eat chocolate and cry over Lifetime movies. Then maybe I’ll go back to thinking Dumb Guy thoughts, like, “More Guns = More NonViolence”. Or that guns designed and engineered solely to kill humans (not deer or other animals) should be readily available for all civilians, and that’s what the Framers envisioned. I might also feel a sudden need to have more than 7 rounds in a magazine, because what if I get all emotional again and can’t aim well enough to kill the intruder that has never entered my home? And after my bout of emotion is over, and I can go back to being a Gun Nut, then, and only then, will I be sufficiently lobotomized to override my prefrontal cortex and believe the Gun Sellers’ Lobby Propaganda Machine again.
I think that when a person can walk into an elementary school with two small, very concealable weapons, and murder 20 small children in a matter of mere minutes, then that person could only be described as having wielded Weapons of Mass Destruction.
That’s a copout to say this is just some mystical “evil” occurrence, and we’re all just hapless self-pity partiers. There are policies that have created extremely fertile grounds for mass shootings to occur at the rate and scope that they do in this country. If we put a man on the moon, we can change gun culture and mental healthcare culture in this nation.
You can talk about how, for most of American history, there was almost no taxes, near-completely unregulated markets, a gold standard, zero social safety net, no “zoning laws”, property rights were the legal system’s primary concern (not social/human rights issues), workers’ rigthts didn’t exist…. and IT DIDN’T WORK OUT. It was a “Libertarian Paradise” - and IT DIDN’T WORK OUT!
They will say something along the lines of “There was still a central government!” Yes, well, Grover Norquist could’ve drowned it in his proverbial bathtub through most of American history.
History stares libertarians in the face, and they don’t recognize it.